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I am changing the format in which I am creating the part of "The Early Loop Family in America", so that it is a more traditional format, acceptable to genealogical publications. I may, at some point, try to publish parts of this in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society Journal, or some other publication. Subscription rates are $15 for one year, four issues July, October, January and April. The next volume will be Numbers 17 through 20. If you are retired on a fixed income and would find the $15 to be a hardship, you may subscribe for $5, as in the past. (c) Victor L. Bennison, 1988 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* The Immigrants - The Family of Capt. Peter Loop of Hillsdale, New York Victor L. Bennison [A draft of a chapter from "The Early Loop Family in America", in preparation, (c) 1988] Peter LOOP [Christian(4), Jacob(3), Sebastian(2), Anthony(1)] of Hillsdale, Columbia County, New York, was born in Langenbach, in the Parish of Marienberg, on December 12, 1732, and was christened soon thereafter on the fourth day of Advent in the same year. He was the son of Christian LOOP and Anna Maria FILGER (or PHILYER). He arrived in New York City with his parents about October 1737. He married three times, but had children only by his first two wives. His first wife, by whom he had seven children, was Cousia SPRINGER. She died between 1769 and 1776. His second, by whom he had four children, was Maria BAILEY. She died after 1783. We know nothing more about his first two wives, but there is one intriguing record in Trinity Church, New York. Baptized on November 2, 1755, is Maria Bayly, daughter of William Bayly and Deborah Springer. This Maria Bayly would have been 21 when Peter had his first child by his second wife Maria Bailey. Could Peter have married his first wife's niece? His third wife was christened Prudence MOORHOUSE on January 21, 1738 in Saybrook, CT, daughter of Thomas MOORHOUSE and Prudence WRIGHT. She married first Jesse BUSHNELL. She died on October 27, 1828 and is buried beside her husband, Peter LOOP. Peter LOOP's tombstone calls him "Capt. Peter Loop" and claims he was 101 years old in 1824, when he died, placing his birth in 1723. This information is quite simply incorrect. 1723 and 1732 have clearly become confused by someone. As for his military rank, Peter LOOP served in the militia with his brother John in 1767 in Capt. John Hogeboom's Co. In 1770, he is listed as a 1st Lieutenant in Van Rensselaer's Regiment, his residence given as Claverack. It is not clear whether Peter LOOP also served in the American Revolution. He is traditionally identified with the Peter LOOP who was made a Lieutenant in Willet's Regiment in 1782. But the year before, in 1781, Peter LOOP, Jr., is listed as a Lieutenant in the same regiment. And Peter LOOP's son Peter, Jr., was most likely an officer during the Revolution, as after the war he is listed as Capt. Peter Loop, Jr., in the Susquehanna Company Papers. So the father and son may have become confused in family tradition. But it is likely Peter deserved the appelation "Capt." if only for his pre-Revolutionary service. It is not clear exactly what is the birth order of Peter LOOP's children. We believe that the order in which they are listed in his will is probably very close, and it does correspond well with known birthdates. The only real difficultly is with the placement of Mary LOOP, as will be discussed. Henry LOOP is mentioned out of order because he is the executor of his father's will. The will mentions all his children who are then (1816) living or who had children then living. John is not mentioned at all, which leads us to believe that he did not survive and did not have surviving children. The will was registered October 27, 1824. Here are the bequests: Wife Prudence: Whatever she needs while she lives with son Henry LOOP, or $250 if she stops living with him. Children of deceased son Christian LOOP: $100 "to be equally divided among them" Son Peter LOOP, Jr.: $1.50 Son Martin LOOP: $1.50 Son David LOOP: $1.50 Daughter Jenny: $1.50 Children of daughter Mary VAN DEUSEN: $50 "to be equally divided among them as they shall severally arrive to the age of twenty one years" with interest. Son Nathaniel LOOP: $1.50 Son Philyer LOOP: $1.50 Son Benjamin LOOP: $1.50 Son Henry LOOP: The residue of the estate. All legacies to be distributed to each legatee either 3 months after Peter's death or as they severally reach 21 years of age. Executors: son Henry LOOP, wife Prudence and friend James Bryan Capt. Peter LOOP and his third wife are buried in the churchyard of the North Hillsdale Methodist Church. Their epitaphs: In In Memory of Memory of Capt Peter Loop M. Prudence wife who Died Oct of Capt Peter Loop 20th 1824. Aged who died 101 years Oct 27, 1828 aged 89 yrs The children of Peter LOOP and his first wife Cousia SPRINGER were: + 1. Christian LOOP, b. April 16, 1759, m. Lucy FERRIS, d. 1799. + 2. Peter LOOP, Jr., m. Sarah BIRNEY, d. 1825. + 3. Mary LOOP, m. Hendrick VAN DEUSEN, d. before 1816. + 4. Martin LOOP, bpt. January 26, 1766, m. Catherine VAN DEUSEN, d. about 1820. + 5. David LOOP, bpt. April 24, 1768, m. Annie D., d. October 29, 1841. + 6. John LOOP, bpt. November 12, 1769, d. before 1816, prob. unm. + 7. Jane (Jenny) LOOP, b. August 15, 1771, m. Jonathan ANDRUS (?), d. January 14, 1865. The children of Peter LOOP and his second wife Maria BAILEY were: + 8. Nathaniel LOOP, b. July 2, 1776, d. after 1816. + 9. Philyer LOOP, b. November 22, 1777, m. Martha ODELL, d. April 21, 1822. +10. Henry LOOP, b. June 10, 1779, m. Louise BUSHNELL, d. August 13, 1868. +11. Benjamin LOOP, b. February 28, 1783, m. Agnes KENNEDY, d. January 19, 1865 [Note: Eventually the following paragraphs will each be expanded into their own sections.] The first child of Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was Christian LOOP, named after Peter's father. He was born on April 16, 1759 in Hillsdale, NY. He married, about 1781, Lucy FERRIS, by whom he had at least eight children. Along with his brother Peter, Jr., he removed with his family to Elmira, NY, then called Newtown, sometime between 1781 and 1790. He is listed as living on Sullivan Street in 1790, and as constable of the nearby town of Chemung in 1791. He died probably in 1799, as his last child was born in April of that year, and Lucy is censused alone in Chemung in 1800. She remarried October 25, 1801, to William JENNINGS. The second child or Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was Peter LOOP, Jr. His date of birth or christening is unknown. It is erroneously listed in several sources as May 19, 1755, in Germantown, NY, but this is the date and place of christening of Peter COOPER son of Martin COOPER and Elizabeth LOOP. The Germantown records contain no christening record for Peter LOOP, Jr. Peter LOOP, Jr., probably served in the American Revolution, though it isn't, at this time, possible to determine which military records go with which of the three or four eligible Peter LOOP's in New York during the war. There is a Peter LOOP, Jr., enlisting as a private in Blatner's Company of Van den Burgh's Regiment in Albany County in 1778. There is a Peter LOOP, Jr., in Willet's Levies enlisting 1782 and appointed the same day as a Lieutenant. This is always assumed to have been the father Peter, not the son Peter, Jr., but why was he listed then as Peter LOOP, Jr.? There is also a Peter Loop, Jr., listed as an enlisted man in the 5th Regiment in Dutchess County, NY. Whether Peter LOOP, Jr., served in that war or not, after the war he served as a commisioner in the Susquehanna Company, and in that capacity was referred to as Capt. Peter LOOP, Jr. In 1792 he married Sarah BIRNEY, daughter of Henry BIRNEY and Rachel SHEARS. They had 11 children. He died in Bath, Steuben County, New York, in January, 1825. Within a few years of his death most of the rest of the family, along with his widow, removed to Belvidere in Boone County, Illinois. She died there September 24, probably 1846. The third child of Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was probably Mary LOOP, though she is listed sixth in order in her father's will, which would place her birth after 1771. She is called Mary VAN DEUSEN in the will. There are christenings listed in Copake, 1784 and 1786, for children of Henry VAN DEUSEN and Mary LOOP, one having Peter LOOP as sponsor. This has caused people to place her birth as about 1763, but this is only speculation. She apparently died before 1816 leaving children who had not yet reached the age of 21 by 1816. In fact, one is tempted to infer from the will that none of her surviving children was 21 in 1816, but that would require an overly literal interpretation of the wording in the will. The fourth child of Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was Martin LOOP. He was christened in Claverack, January 26, 1766. He married Catherine VAN DEUSEN, prior to 1783, the year their first child was born. They had five children. Sometime prior to 1790 they removed to Chenango County and settled in Oxford Township in a part that later became Guilford. There he was murdered by a neighbor, according to Omer Loop's records, and we do know he had died before the 1820 census, in which the rest of his family is listed without him. Nothing further is known about his widow. The fifth child of Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was David LOOP, who was christened April 24, 1768 in Claverack. He married a woman named Annie D., maiden name unknown. She was born about 1777 and died September 17, 1853. They had nine children. David and Annie D. LOOP apparently continued to reside in Columbia County, and died there, he on October 29, 1841, she on September 17, 1853. They are buried together in Hillsdale. The sixth child of Peter LOOP and Cousia Springer was John LOOP, christened November 12, 1769, in Claverack. Nothing further is known of him. He is not mentioned in his father's will in 1816, so it is presumed that he died without issue prior to 1816. A John LOUP shows up in Ontario in 1789, but it could be Peter's brother John, born 1737, who also disappears, or it could be some other John altogether. The seventh and last child of Peter LOOP and Cousia SPRINGER was Jenny LOOP, as mentioned in Peter's will. She is probably the Jane LOOP who, according to ANDRUS family records, was born August 15, 1771 in Hillsdale, married Jonathan ANDRUS in 1786, and died on January 14, 1865. He was born May 8, 1763 and died March 17, 1837 and is buried in Harpur Cemetery, Colesville (south of Harpursville), NY. They had children (ANDRUS): Polly, Peggy, Robert, Edna, and Narcissus. They were early settlers in Chemungtown [Chemung?], NY, where he kept a hotel or tavern and was a Justice of the Peace. Peter LOOP remarried to Maria BAILEY sometime before July 2, 1776, when their first child, Nathaniel LOOP, was christened in Hillsdale. We believe he removed to Canada with his brother Benjamin. Both Nathaniel and Benjamin disappear from U.S. records, and a Benjamin and a Nathaniel both show up in Hallowell, Prince Edward County, Ontario (not to be confused with Prince Edward Island). The second child of Peter LOOP and Maria BAILEY was Philyer LOOP, born November 22, 1777 in Hillsdale. He moved to Alburg, Grand Isle County, Vermont in the late 1790's or early 1800's and probably there met and married, July 21, 1801, Martha ODELL, whose parents, Joseph ODELL and Sally LEWIS, resided just across the border into Canada, in Odelltown, Quebec. She was born September 17, 1786. Philyer was a successful and wealthy merchant in Alburg. He was the state representative for Alburg in 1810 and a judge at least for the years 1814 and 1815. But Alburg's climate was conducive for tuberculosis and Philyer's family was again and again hit with tragedy. All but two of his ten children died in their late teens or twenties. He and his wife also succumbed early, he on April 21, 1822, and she on September 13, 1823. Most of the family is buried in the Bush Cemetery in Alburg. The third child of Peter LOOP and Maria BAILEY was Henry LOOP. He was born June 10, 1779, and was christened the next month in Linlithgo, Columbia County, New York. Like his brother Philyer, Henry also served as a judge. He was Justice of the Peace from 1815 to 1818 in Hillsdale. He also served as supervisor of the town in 1831 and 1832. His first wife, whom he married about 1803, was Louisa BUSHNELL born 1774, the daughter of his father's third wife. They had five children. She died September 6, 1829, and is buried in North Hillsdale. His second wife was Melinda McKINSTRY, daughter of Col. Charles McKINSTRY. They had one child. Sometime after 1832 they moved to Great Barrington in Western Massachusetts, not far from Hillsdale, where he died a widower on August 13, 1868 at age 91. He is there listed as a farmer. The last child of Peter LOOP and Maria BAILEY was Benjamin LOOP. He was born February 28, 1783, and christened June 8, 1783 at Linlithgo, Columbia County, New York. We believe he removed to Ontario and settled in Hallowell and married Agnes KENNEDY, possibly a daughter of Hugh Kennedy who lived in Hallowel. They had 11 children. They removed to Essex County, Ontario, not far from Detroit, where they lived many years. They later removed to Flint, Michigan, where she died on February 15, 1860, and he died on January 19, 1865. The information on Benjamin's tombstone conflicts with the known birthdate of Peter's son Benjamin, but a Michigan census record for the same Benjamin yields a year of birth the same as Peter's son Benjamin. I suspect, as is frequently the case, that the tombstone inscription is in error. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Tax lists of Crawford County, Pennsylvania: 1829, Rockdale twp., Charles Loop, 50 acres, ox and cow 1830, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 50 acres 1831, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 4 oxen, 1 cow 1832, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 1 horse, 1 cow 1833, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 2 oxen, 1 cow 1834, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 4 oxen 1835, Richmond twp., Charles Loop, 2 oxen, 1 horse, 1 cow [I skipped 1836 to 1838] 1839, Athens twp., Charles Loop, 1 cow, 1 horse 1840, Athens twp., Charles Loop, 80 acres, 1 cow [I skipped 1841] 1842, Athens twp., Charles Loop, 80 acres, 2 cows, 1 mare Sylvester Loop (sm) [single male?], 2 oxen [I skipped 1843 to 1846] 1847, Athens twp., Charles and Sylvester both listed [no time to access 1848 to 1870, on microfilm] 1871, Athens twp., Charles Loop, 98 acres, 2 horses [I skipped 1872 and 1873] 1874, Athens twp., Charles Loop listed with property [I skipped 1875 and 1876] 1877, Athens twp., Charles Loop listed with property [I skipped 1878] 1878, Athens twp., Charles Loop listed with property [I skipped 1879 and 1880] 1881, Athens twp., Charles Loop listed with property 1882 and thereafter, no Charles Loop 2. Newspapers, Meadville, Crawford County, PA: Crawford Weekly Messenger, 7 MAR 1835: List of Outstanding Debts Due the County of Crawford from Collectors and others, December 31, 1834 [among those listed] Charles Loop, collector 1834, Richmond Crawford Democrat, 17 APR 1838: [Charles Loop listed in Richmond as member of Democratic Republicans committee, meeting held 10 APR 1838 in Meadville.] Meadville Courier [?], 17 MAR 1835: Appts by the Governor: Charles Loop to be Justice of the Peace in district numbered 1, composed of Mead, Wayne, Richmond, including Meadville. Crawford Democrat, 7 JAN 1845: Married - on the 22nd ult [i.e. 22 DEC 1844] by Rev. James F. Reed, Hiram Miller, Massillon, Ohio to Miss Mary Loope of Elmyra, NY. Crawford Democrat, 19 AUG 1847: Died - At the residence of his father in Athens township, Sylvester Loop, eldest son of Charles Loop, Esq., aged 26 years. Meadville Gazette and Farmer's Advocate, 15 SEP 1846: Married - On the 7th inst. [i.e. 7 SEP 1846] by the Rev. P. Craighead, Mr. John Merritt, and Miss Mary Ann Loop, all of Meadville. 3. Woodville, Ohio, Cemetery Inscriptions. This cemetery is north of Woodville about a mile on Lime Road and is situated between two large limestone quarries. The cemetery is very German. About a third of the stones are written in German, and almost all are for German names. It is a good sized cemetery. To find the Loop stones drive straight in and take the first left after the first large area of stones. The Loop stones are in a row alongside the road on the left shortly after the turn, with their inscriptions facing away from the road. The Brim monument is on the other side of the road from the Loop stones and a couple of rows in. Jediah Loop, died June 4, 1854, aged 58 y 1 m 15 days, Prepare to meet thy God [This stone is broken into three pieces, and is difficult to read. The stone contains a Masonic symbol, crossed carpenter's square and dividers. Next to the stone is a War of 1812 medal marker and an American flag.] Betsey E., Wife of Jediah Loop, died Jan. 19, 1876, aged 75 yrs 3 mos 7ds, She lies in peace, yes sweetly sleeps, her sorrows all are over, with her the storms of life are past, she's found the heavenly shore [Cap of stone says "Our Mother in Heaven"] broken stone, only about 1 inch protruding from ground, nothing readable. Willie H. son of W. H. and S. A. Loop, died Oct. 18, 1864, aged 3 y 3 m, Many bright hopes he ... [remainder unreadable] [for some strange reason this stone has a GAR marker and an American flag beside it. Could this have at one time belonged to the unreadable neighboring stone, or did someone make a mistake?] Peter Loop, Jr., Pvt NY Militia, Rev War, 1766 - 1835 [This stone has a 1776 metal marker and American flag beside it. See note, below.] George Brim, died Dec 7, 1895 aged 66 y 2 m 17 d Betsey M. Brim, died Mar. 12, 1895 aged 82 years [These two are on a large obelisk] Ethel 1881 - 1894 [This is a nearby small stone, i.e. Ethel Brim] ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? I'm leaving the queries out this issue. They are the same as last issue. +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. I have for a long time wanted very much to find the tombstone for Peter H. Loop [see Vital Data item 3, above] to see if I could make sense out of the "Peter Loop Jr" business in the inscription. So during my recent visit to my in-laws in Kent, Ohio, I made a junket (two hours out and two hours back) to Woodville, Ohio. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but my craziness payed off. The inscription is as it has always been reported, but I don't believe the stone was erected at the time of his burial. It does not look like other stones erected about that time, and the information contained in the inscription is not consistent with the information provided on almost every other stone I saw of that period. His actual date of death is not there, just the year, nor is his age given in years, months, and days. In fact, this is a military stone, with a small Christian cross centered near the top of the stone, and a description of military service, like you would find on a stone in a military cemetery. I suspect someone found a record of military service for a Peter Loop, Jr., and had probably been told that Peter H. Loop had served in the war, though he was only ten when the war began and 17 when it ended. There might be a DAR connection with the tombstone. At any rate, I have little faith in the "Jr" and more firmly believe now that Peter H. Loop is the son of Ensign Henry Loop. 2. I only just recently discovered that there are two Stillwater's in New York State, one in Saratoga County, and one in Chautauqua County, near Jamestown. Richard Henry Loop is said to have been married in Stillwater, NY, in 1802. This would be too early for Stillwater, Chautauqua County. That part of Chautauqua County was not settled until 1808 or thereafter. On the other hand, the church records of Stillwater, Saratoga County, do not contain the marriage record for Richard Henry. Furthermore, Richard Henry is supposed to have died in 1836 near Jamestown. Interesting coincidence, but I can't make anything out of it. 3. Robert Lupp observed that the Anthony Lupp of Hof, for whom I provided a family group sheet in the last issue, could have been the Anthony Lupp who arrived in Philadelphia in 1766. That, indeed, was my thought also. But since I hadn't checked the Bad Marienberg parish registers beyond 1769, I did not feel comfortable making that suggestion. So I ordered the later microfilm, and have now searched further in the records. Anthony Lupp of Hof and family disappear completely from the Bad Marienberg records about 1765 when their son Anthony is born. There are no deaths, births, or marriages for members of the family, nor do any family members appear as sponsors for others. I believe this is the Anthony who arrived in 1766. I also believe this is the Anthony of Adams County, Pennsylvania, despite some conflicting evidence. 4. The tax lists for Crawford County, Pa [see Vital Data above] tell us that Charles Loop, son of Martin Loop, and grandson of Capt. Peter Loop, lived in Crawford from before 1829 until 1881, when he apparently moved to Erie County, PA. The Crawford County history says that his stay was short. I'd hardly call a stay of over 52 years a short one. On my visit to Meadville, I drove out to visit the property that Charles Loop owned just a mile or so outside of the small hamlet of Little Cooley. There is no longer a house on the property as there was in 1876, when the county atlas was prepared. The weren't even any crops growing there, just weeds. 5. No one caught my error in the article last issue on Anthony Loop I said Anthony Loop, Jr.'s wife was Elizabeth. It should have been Esther. My claim is that her maiden name was probably Esther Keckler. 6. Ross Roby sends the following information about Edgar S. Loop whose parentage I speculated about in the last issue. He says: All I have on him from my 1971 visit to the Belvidere, Illinois, cemetery is a photo of a much damaged stone labelled thus: Edgar S. Loop Died Nov 23, 184? age 18 yrs The stone is situated in Lot #77 between Sarah Loop's and her son Peter P. Loop's stones. Perhaps the location is not significant, some distance from Henry's and Minerva's who were buried much after the 1840's. Ross also poses some questions, first about the Civil War pension index entry: Matt M. Loop, mother Pamelia Loop, Co D 11 Ill Inf 25 SEP 1876 Invalid appl: 225931; cert: 143653 2 MAR 1878 Mother's appl: 235761; cert: 182252 His question is - what do the dates mean? Judging from the pension files I did look through, the 25 SEP 1876 date is when Matt decided, for whatever reasons, to apply for his disability pension. Probably he was sick and couldn't earn a livelihood anymore and claimed his disability was the result of his military service. Most likely the 2 MAR 1878 date implies that he has died by then. A widow, child, or parent (at least mother) who depended on a pensioner for their livelihood, could claim a pension after his death, and not before. Ross points out that Matt Loop is the son of James L. Loop. Ross also asks how Murray Loop could have been discharged for disability in 1847 and reenlisted in an Ohio unit in time to die in 1848. The answer I believe is that the book which places Murray in the Ohio unit is in error or that the information that the book used was in error. Note that the book lists him as in company L, 2nd Ohio, and the service records show company E, 2nd Illinois. The book claimed to list people who died after being discharged, of wounds or illness resulting from the conflict, as well as those who died still in uniform. The muster out was probably a formality wherein all those who were ever on the rolls were officially listed as being mustered out. I'm sure the whole unit was being disbanded, as it was a voluntary unit and the war was over. Probably many of the men had already headed home one way or another, as the war had been over since December and it was well into the crop growing season. I believe Murray was dead by the muster out date. He is certainly gone by the 1850 census. Unfortunately, the book that gives his death date in the Ohio unit, doesn't list its source of information. 7. Jim Fry sent a copy of a letter from the History Department of the Mormon Church in Salt Lake City. William Fry married Eunice A. Loop, a daughter of Capt. Peter's son Martin. They were early Mormons. The following is from the letter (addressed to Barbara L. Scott, 216 Blackhawk Avenue, Milan, IL 61264 and dated 15 APR 1988): The Mormons lived in Hancock County, Illinois from 1839 to 1846. There they built Nauvoo in the northwest corner which grew to some 12,000 people by the time of their exodus to the Great Basin. On a [Church] census taken in 1841 Nauvoo, the following names occur: William Fry Eunice A. Over 8: Albert Lydia C. Under 8: Nancy A. George H. William M. Over 8 but not baptized: Agent [sic] In the Spring of 1842, another Church census lists: William Eunice Lydia C. Albert L. Angenets [sic] Under 8: Nancy George Henry The names appear to more or less coincide with those of your family. Regretfyully, we have no other information about them such as his place of residence or activities as a Latter-day Saint in Illinois. Other Frys in the Nauvoo area are David Fry from Lee County, Iowa, Enos Fry and Winston Fry. Nothing more is known about them either. On the 1840 federal census, a William Freyes is listed as living in section 17 of Range 8, township 3. This area was inhabited by many Mormons. Perhaps he is your ancestor. As the Mormons fled Missouri many who lost property filed claims against that state. On May 11, 1839 in Adams County, Illinois, a William A. Fry petitioned that his family had lived in Missouri for a term of three years. Mobbers attacked his household and forced him from his property. He stated that he left behind cattle, hogs, corn, hay, oats, potatoes as well as household furniture. These losses plus the loss of time and the expense of moving out provoked him to claim $1000.00 in damages from the state. Needless to say, these claims were not honored. Perhaps he is your relative. If he were indeed in the "Show Me" state for that long, he may have lived in Clay, but certainly Daviess or Caldwell, or perhaps Chariton Counties. 8. Hazel Dinsdale (and everyone else) - The Martin Loop I was referring to in item number 7 of issue 17 was not Ensign Henry's son Martin, who did have a son John, but rather Capt. Peter's son Martin who I claim did not have a son John. The John Loop in German, Chenango County, NY, in the 1810 Census is Ensign Henry's son John, but since all the other sons of Capt. Peter's son Martin were also in Chenango County for that census, I believe Omer Loop assumed this John must be yet another son of Capt. Peter's son Martin. 9. Charles A. Loop - John Loop (1811 - 1903) was the son of George LOOP and ______ HARPER. I've included a copy of George Loop's family group sheet. 10. Joanne Ellis - thanks for the information that Julius HARRISON and Ada Estella LOOP (daughter of Dr. Joseph M. Loop) had two sons Stanley and Fred. I do not know how Thelma Loxton fits into this family, she just sent me the information as you found it in the group sheet. Concerning the parents of Dr. Joseph M. Loop, I'm afraid we don't have much primary information to go on. In particular, I don't seem to have any primary source, or even good secondary source, to prove that the Sarah who married Peter Loop, Jr., was Sarah BIRNEY. [If someone has such a source please send it in.] The Peter C. Loop we believe to be the son of Christian Loop and Lucy FERRIS married a Peggy HUEY. I don't think that we can trust Stanley HARRISON's information that his great grandparents were a Peter C. Loop, born 1781, and Sarah Birney without knowing where he got it. My hunch is that if he's right about the Peter C. Loop, then he's wrong about the Sarah Birney. A further hunch is that he got the information from some other family historian like Omer Loop. 11. Joanne Ellis - No I do not have any Frost group sheets. 12. Everyone - Joanne asked if there was an index to the Scoop. Unfortunately, no. I just don't have the time to do it. I know it's a nuisance to have to scour through all the back issues for what you are looking for. Sorry. 13. Ross Roby - I'm fairly certain you sent me a copy of the Loop epitath's from the Belvidere, IL, Cemetery. But I can't seem to find it anywhere. Could you send me another copy?